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    Default [2NL] AQs facing 4bet OOP...Standard Spot?

    Villain was 18/5 through 39 hands. Hadn't folded to 2/2 3bets and attempted to steal 100% of the the time on the button.

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    UTG ($1.44)
    MP ($2.95)
    CO ($2)
    Button ($0.75)
    SB ($2.08)
    Hero (BB) ($2.02)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A
    3 folds, Button bets $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.16, Button raises to $0.35, Hero???

    Not really sure what I should be doing here? I don't think I can call as I expect the rest of his stack is going in on the flop regardless. Don't really want to fold and don't want to put him all-in as I expect he is way ahead of me if he calls???
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    This makes a great argument to flat preflop. Which is what I'd do.

    I wouldn't 3bet so big if I plan on having a cushion to fold either. That said I still fold as you haven't 3bet too big to be committed.
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    Villain started hand with 75c. As played, jamming it in is unlikely to be a mistake with dead money in the pot.

    If we are both 100bb effective, there are a ton more things to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    Villain started hand with 75c. As played, jamming it in is unlikely to be a mistake with dead money in the pot.

    If we are both 100bb effective, there are a ton more things to consider.
    I saw the stack size. It's a mistake to 3bet/shove if villain opens 7% and then calls a 5bet shove with TT+/AQ+.

    It's important to know that the original 3bet is -EV too.
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    OK, if we were 100bb deep, and circumstances were as they are in the OP, is it then +EV to 3bet? Or should we still be flatting?
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    fold
    (0.75-0.16)/1.5 because hes never folding to a shove
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 67.937% 66.85% 01.09% 34340202 558540.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
    Hand 1: 32.063% 30.98% 01.09% 15911838 558540.00 { AhQh }

    becomes breakevenish if he has AQ+ 88+, but thats a really loose range. Also he'd have to have an even looser range for jamming to be +EV. Remember folding is 0ev
    oh and rake is big etc
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    Villain steals 100% three bet ship it is fine Imo. For 100bb stacks 3b is prolly mandatory rest depends on villains tendencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    Villain steals 100% three bet ship it is fine Imo. For 100bb stacks 3b is prolly mandatory rest depends on villains tendencies.
    3bet ship is -EV as mentioned by the math above and the lazy math I've done in CREV. If he's stealing with a wide range then yes the 3bet part becomes +EV but we should then fold to a 4bet unless his 4bet/call range is wider than I'd assume.
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    Isn't it also a good idea to have also have a plan : man If I 3b here I'll have no clue what to do if he 4b's me. so don't 3b
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    Yeah scratch what I said, I forgot I was a loosing player.
    Think I need to start again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imthenewfish View Post
    becomes breakevenish if he has AQ+ 88+, but thats a really loose range. Also he'd have to have an even looser range for jamming to be +EV. Remember folding is 0ev
    oh and rake is big etc
    Your loose range is my base assumption for a bad short stacker at the micros. I'd say it might be even wider here given villain has already been 3bet a couple of times and probably fed up with it.
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    This sizing is a pain in the ass as his range is now way stronger than if he just jammed. That said, I think the 3 bet is totally fine vs this guy and now we should just get it in. It really can't be bad vs a random <50bb stack who doesn't like to fold to 3 bets.
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    You'll see enough shit like 88 99 AJ KQ etc every now and then to make this fine with all the dead money, basically

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